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The Cock · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:45 am Post subject: More New Bands to Check Out

Here are some kick ass bands that i think everyone should check into.

1. Coheed and Cambria
2. Thursday
3. Sparta
4. The Mars Volta
5. Massive Attack
6. Portishead
7. Death Cab For Cutie
8. Deadsy
9. Thrice
10. The Blood Brothers

And for those of you who have just discovered what most call "music", here are some essentials to start with.

1. Tool
2. At the Drive-In
3. Dream Theater
4. Nirvana
5. Smashing Pumpkins
6. Weezer
7. A Perfect Circle
8. Nine Inch Nails
9. Pink Floyd
10. Led Zeppelin

If for some reason you dispute these claims or bands, please fist yourself or get back to me with a valid reason why you suck so much. Thanks.
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KarmaPD · Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 2:54 pm Post subject:

8. Nine Inch Nails

wins the award for most blatant use of a rhyming dictionary.

James · Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 2:00 am Post subject:

don't go listen to coheed and cambria. the lead singer sounds like ghetty lee had his testicles crushed while being anally raped by michael jackson in his "billy jean" phase.
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KarmaPD · Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 11:30 am Post subject:

Who knew that getting raped by Michael Jackson in his Billy Jean phase was that much different from any other phase?

And you should all listen to Jawbox's For your own special sweetheart. Top 10 cd over the last decade. For all you deftones/far/onelinedrawing fans, they are the band that wrote savory.

And interpol's turn on the bright lights is an amazing cd.

James · Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 6:09 pm Post subject:

new music is pretty bleak. i guess check out mars volta if you're into a fusion of styles with an awful guitarist that has no form...

seriously, sparta is pretty cool. if you can't stand death metal singing like myself, it's a love/hate relationship with a band called hopesfall. the singer can actually sing too, he just never does, but the music is fantastic. they also won a bet and matt talbott from hum sings on "escape pod for intangibles" which is an excellent song.

new end original has some cool stuff.

there isn't anybody i'm really ecstatic about though, so hopefully someone will start making some good music again.
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Jawbreaker · Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 26

im starting to question your validity jim!

first claudio of coheed and cambria... in no way has a higher voice than geddy lee... a voice higher than geddy lee would be inaudiable and would break glass.

hopesfall.... ehhhh... not a big screamo fan... they all good i guess... not a big fan of the genre.

mars volta is 100x better than sparta. twenty years from now, who will matter: mars volta, or sparta? rock is forgetable... but mars volta transcends the rock genre altogether. as of late, some leaks of their new cd have been released, 13 minute songs. the cd is gonna be a mind fuck. if you ever have the chance, check out this "no form" guitar player on the song cicatriz.. there are two versions, one is an old version its like 5 minutes... but their new version, or most recently released one is 13 minutes and has some of the best guitar work ive heard in a long time, on top of amazing vocals that are actually in key. you should take a few notes, and put it on repeat.

the filename looks something like: The Mars Volta - Cicatriz (Demo)

these guys are masters in the studio..... damn.

they beat the shit out of every band on brads two lists. they are the future of music and the only band to really put something original in the rock genre in a long time. it surpasses at the drive in.

bands can be very talented, and can shred to their little hearts content, but when they produce something ORIGINAL... theyve achieved the true goal.. being completely different. i cant find any band that sounds like mars volta.

dont think i missed anything... oh and the new Radiohead is amazing. check out 2 + 2 = 5 for a great song.

James · Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 2:15 am Post subject:

Mars Volta is incredibly original, I have no problem saying that. They'll be very short lived though. It's like a string-of-conscious approach poured into music. They're like a jam-band with different influences. It's formless, and that's the kind of shit I can't stand. Sorry, but their guitarist sucks. In at-the-drive-in they turned his guitar off for the live performance because he was more interested in looking cool than being able to play anything. Sparta's frontman did everything for good reason.

Coheed sucks, deal with it.

If you want to hear something mind-blowing and original check out Glifted, Tim Lash's new band.

And one more thing. My singing is getting better everyday, live it sounds really good, the studio part we haven't been able to get yet. We don't have vocal mics and it's tough to get solid vocals regardless with what we've been using. If you've heard the .mp3, it takes out most of the echo and high end that was laid down, the actual cd version sounds 10x as good.

And while my voice may in fact be off-key a little bit at times, the first thing people think isn't "I wonder if his parents neutered him."
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Jawbreaker · Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 26

i could never agree that coheed sucks... hes got perfec vocals... he plays lead guitar and sings at the same time... the drummer is amazing... and the lyrics are get this, insightful.... they are a very strong and talented band and can jam like motherfuckers!

im checkin out some glifted... still downloading though.
i actually have nothing wrong with your singing... it fits the music.

but, hey letsmake a bet.... cedric and omar of marsvolta/atdi continue to make music for atleast 3 lps. so counting this one coming out, and then at least two more. i bet you they will....

i am optimistic when it comes to talented songwriters, key word songwriters, not musicians. i think cedric and omar are so talented in wrirint songs that they could make music forever... it may be stream of conscience... but thats the way they have written ever since atdi has been together.... they have a poweful conscience... tahts all i gotta say.

the thing i like about being able to listen to mars volta is that not one song has the same chord progression, not one song sounds alike. so when i put in the cd, i am being surrounded by completely different sounds. something so different. they dont use the same sound in any song. its much more of an esxpericne then a smashing pumpkins cd where the muddy tone is on every song and pretty much every song on the cd has the same basic premise.

the fact that a band can make music that is so diverse is what i look for.

cause all in all, The final product, the individual song, is more important than anything else that involves with being in a band. people can have conflicts and hate eachother, and a guitar player can suck... but if the song comes out as a masterpiece, thats the most important thing.

nsalwia · Posted: Fri May 09, 2003 4:42 pm Post subject: suck on this

my turn - first off i don't where jim get's off spouting his mouth off about coheed and cambria. he's only heard about three songs, so i would say, he doesn't know what he is talking about.

mars volta - give me a fucking break. i've heard better shit from dave matthew's. this whole praise to mars volta because of their incredible originality and that they don't use the same chord progression shit can kiss my fat white ass. first off, what good is it to be original if it doesn't sound good and it sucks? that's what i thought, and you know the reason they don't use the same chord progressions? simply because they are a jam band, and they still suck. mars volta will never compare to the likes of sparta or apc (ryan!). never, end of discussion. i don't play an instrument, isn't that what you are gonna say kris? first off im learning, and second off, i know what sounds good and guess what? mars volta sounds about as bad as the fucking blood brothers.

2+2=5 doesn't really sound that good. Radiohead will never be as good as they were on the bends or ok computer, so just give it up already. they will never amount to what they were. they can try their hardest, but personally, i don't dig the new stuff, it sounds like trip hop with tom york.

if you wanna hear some real music, which i listed on the ONE list that i made, listen to hum, glifted, failure, new end original, far, on, or national skyline. granted you won't like some of them, but they won't suck as much as mars volta. btw, glifted is weird and hard to get into, but give it a chance, it's very different, alot more original then mars volta will ever hope to become and alot better.

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Jawbreaker · Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 26

a few things:
1. i love sparta. just i beleive that they are going to be short lived... they dont bring anything new to the table. you can really see who had the talent in at the drive in.

2. i dont know what mars volta songs youve heard, but the recently released ones for the studio are the ones that actually got me really into mars volta.. i didnt see the hype of marsvolta till i hear these guys in the studio makin their lp. First Drunkship of Lanterns (themarsvolta.com/freedownload) is their first song off the new album... amazing.. all i can say. then their is cicatriz, which is like a 13 minute epic song... so good.

EVERY SONG BY A PERFECT CIRCLE IS THE SAME! i am actually particularly fond of a perfect circle, but they are trying anything new. music has to either progress or die, and with bands like mars volta and radiohead, it will happen.

3. i think your a little too rock oriented brad, and should spread your horizons. i believe radioheads masterpiece was Ok Computer, but to say they should play anything like the bends, is blasphemy. it was a period of time int heir songwriting, and they have evolved. why would you want the same album over and over again?

and an apology to brad, i thought brad started this thread.

nsalwia · Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 12:21 am Post subject:

im not saying that radiohead should relive the bends or ok computer, but i am saying that they will never be as great as they used to be, they passed their prime and i think it's time for them to give it up personally.

mars volta - i heard the drunken ship song, and i couldn't stand it, it sounded horrible in my opinion, just not my thing i guess.

as for only rock oriented, i am purely not. yes i stick in the basic premise of good music, which is mostly rock, but i wouldn't call on, national skyline or glifted even close to the rock genre. i listen to alot of stuff, and give alot of stuff chances. i mean, i can even listen to death metal, so don't tell me im to rock oriented, i listen to alot of soft stuff, and i give everything a chance.
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James · Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 5:59 am Post subject:

Alright Kris, you've got some good points, I'll give you that. This is just something we're never gonna see eye to eye on. I've always been a huge fan of bands that are really tight in their playing. Hum appeals to me because it sounds like so much is going on, but everything fits perfectly to create something that sounds completely focused at all times. Mars Volta is the complete opposite, just not my thing I guess. To me Billy Corgan is about as good as songwriters get. The diversity in that band is pretty crazy, but it still has a distinct feel to it. I know when the song starts that it's the Smashing Pumpkins. Mars Volta just sounds weird all the time. I just don't think they'll last as long as most will. Sparta I agree with, they're just a kick-ass rock band, and they probably won't be around forever. But i'm not sure Mars Volta is really going to get a huge following of people that are going to love them. I could be wrong, but that's just my take. It took a while, but I really do appreciate Cedric's voice. It's incredibly unique, and he sounds pretty awesome on the Mars Volta stuff, I just hate carribean music with such an extreme passion....
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Jawbreaker · Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 26

maybe thats why i like them... i dont really like dub music *which i really dont seee tooo much dub influence in mvolta but i understand what your saying* but when a band can apply it to their music and make me enjoy it i will. there is a pretty big mars volta following without even having an lp released. and i wouldnt say they are goin to do well mainstream wise, cause apparently they wont be releasing a single, since all songs are over 5 minutes.

and hey... their drummer is black! thats like an extra hundred points for each black guy you got in the band.

i wouldnt really call death metal a far stretch from the rock genre itself...

i just have high hopes in this band. you know ive always beenquestioning what i wanna do in music. do i wanna make a solid rock band, good rock songs, or do i wanna try and do something idfferent and explore new sound barriers. choice number one seems like a safe bet, but i would love to create something original.

i can agree with you brad, that radiohead were intheir prime before kid a, but i wouldnt call the bends a groundbreaking record like ok computer was. the new shit will always be good, that goes for kid a, amnesiac and hail to the theif. their will be fantastic songs on every record they put out, but they will never release a cd where you dont hit the fast forward button. but yeah, i hear ya... they are evolving... whether ya like it or not.

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Brad, you are a fucking moron. Mars Volta are amazing... and you listen to alot of shitty music... you once told me that Nirvana are so so original and influencial and all this shit... yet you know nothing about true innovaters like Dylan, Cochran, Townshend, Lennon, McCartney, Reznor, and Lou Reed, whom you think is Mick Jagger. So thats all I have to say about that... and I totally agree with everything Kris has been saying cuz he knows what good music really is.

The Cock · Posted: Sat May 10, 2003 2:54 pm Post subject: What the fuck have I started?

Ok, well after reading all this stuff I figured i'd have to come in and intervene somewhere. About Mars Volta, everyone made very good arguments and Jim i can understand why you don't like, its not really your style, you like the more tightly woven precice playing, layered sounds, etc. You made a good argument and i appreciate that you recognize thier originality. Brad doesn't like it cause it "sucks". Whatever. I still feel that they are the most important band to come out since at the drive-in. Never since Pink Floyd have i heard something so original. There is so much to this music it blows me away in every aspect. They don't stick to any sort of set chord progression, they are distinct yet still keep an extreme variety in their songs, cedric has entered my top 5 vocalists of all time, amazing lyrics, passion out the ass...what more could you ask for? In a time of complacency and recycled crap in the music scene these days, Mars Volta is exactly what is needed. The Sparta issue is an interesting one...I personally love Sparta and everything they do, Wiretap Scars is one of the best rock records i've heard in a while. Although, they don't hold a candle to Mars Volta in terms of vocal ability, originality, power, or emotion...all of the things that are most important in music. Yes, Jim Ward is better in many ways than Omar, especially live, but Omar holds a very different style which sets him apart and makes him perfect for the free form style of Mars Volta. In terms of their success, i think they are going have an unbelieveable underground following much to the tune of a Tool or a APC; they'll play medium sized venues and sell a shitload of records the first 2 weeks out and then sort of drop off, but have a rabid and devoted fan base which i think will keep them going for a very long time. At the rate they are going, the sky is not the limit. In terms of improvement and progression, listen to their ep and sparta's ep. Then listen to either of the new studio lp tracks from Mars and then listen to sparta's record...No comparision. Mars Volta is in a league of their own and i haven't liked an up and coming band this much other than at the drive in since tool. and we know how much i like tool and at the drive in......
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