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KarmaPD · Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 6:49 pm Post subject: the matrix

I'm totally surprised that not a single person on this site, with the plethora of nerds, has come out and said anything about the matrix. kids, opinions?

fight scene in the stairwell was 100% awesome, car chase scene was excellent. rest of the movie, eh. something tells me the wachowski bros had their figurative weiners sucked one too many times in the last 4 years.

but how about that T3 preview? going to be the coolest movie of the summer. no, scratch that, freddy vs jason. that movie will rock my world.
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Goody · Joined: 07 May 2003 Posts: 19 Location: Atlanta

freddy vs. jason.. god help us

as for the matrix, i felt the sequel was well done for what it was worth. I felt the cg was well done with only a couple of exceptions, and the continuation of the storyline was also very thought-out. The next sequel, revolutions, is gonna have alot to explain tho. On a side note, though i am all for gratuitous sex scenes, putting one in the matrix in which we get a whole lot of reeve's ass, seemd out of place.
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nsalwia · Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 8:57 pm Post subject:

story sucked hardcore, cg was excellent. this movie had more plotholes then the core!
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James · Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 1:54 am Post subject:

reload.... Does that sound familiar to any other colossal flop of anticipation to anyone else?

The matrix had the best special effects work I've ever seen. Having said that, they somehow managed to beat George Lucas by making the shittiest movie possible to destroy a franchise. Jesus Christ I hate that movie with every fabric of my being.

One thing we can agree on -- There definitely needs to be a movie, lets call it "Star Wars Matrix," in which we are given 2 whole hours of a fight between Darth Maul and the Twins.

T3 looks like it could straight out beat the shit out of the movie that ripped it off (yes that's reloaded). I hope it does, because if it has 1 redeemable scene in it I'm gonna be floored. I simply do not have any expectations from this movie.

And yes, everything is going to bow down to Freddy vs. Jason. From the first shot of Robert England I knew nothing else mattered. Jason jumping out of the Crystal Lake? I'm so there.
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Ryan · Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 8:20 am Post subject:

Yeah dude, Freddy vs. Jason. I could watch that preview for the length of the matrix and still be more satisfied than sitting through that peice of horse shit. God that movie was terrible. Except for the twins and the Key guy. You know he is comming back in the 3rd one to kick MAJOR ass. Its always the little guy that no one expects.
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KarmaPD · Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 1:13 pm Post subject:

Man, I was so pumped by that freddy vs jason preview that the matrix just couldn't totally do it for me. I can't wait until they start showing it every 5 minutes on TV, it'll be so rad. But I also suspect that this movie will have the single biggest dropoff from opening night in movie history. Literally, $60 million opening night and then nothing Saturday night, unless kids go see it again. Which I might.
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Goody · Joined: 07 May 2003 Posts: 19 Location: Atlanta

you guys claim the matrix to be totally lame, yet cant wait for freddy vs jason!? How many times has jason gone to hell? Where is the plot.. Where is.. oh forget it.. im going back to bed
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KarmaPD · Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 2:28 pm Post subject:

Yup, that's exactly what we claim, and here's why:

Freddy vs. Jason has no pretensions about being a "film." Would anybody give two shits about the Matrix if it didn't have crazy action scenes? The plot is convoluted and boring, the dialogue frustratingly vague and preachy, and the whole exercise reeks of pretention. Go back and watch the first matrix, and pay attention to Keanu Reeves' dialogue. He literally doesn't string two sentences of dialogue together in the entire movie, until the very end, which is a voice over. Like I said in my initial review, somebody has been stroking the Wachowski brothers' egos a lot over the last few years, because they obviously think they are fucking geniuses.

Freddy vs. Jason, on the other hand, is good old mindless slasher fun. If the Matrix didn't take itself so seriously, it would fall into a very similar category. If a movie is going to try to make you think, it should to it intelligently and not slather on bullshit philosophy and patronizing speeches, which the Matrix does as much as any movie in recent memory. I mean, that entire rave scene on Zion and all the speeches before it, what a load of film school dick sucking. With Freddy vs. Jason, you can accept it for what it is. Now, if Freddy gives us a 25 minute speech on how "things are not always what they seem," then I will complain just as bitterly.

And Jason has really only gone to hell once, and Freddy took him there. The rest of the time he just sort of drowns or gets blown up or stabbed or shot into space. Nightmare on Elm Street movies are totally better.
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James · Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 2:45 pm Post subject:

I agree 100%. Elm Street is so much cooler. Freddy is gonna kick Jason's ass. And thank god they got rid of the current Jason -- I hesitate very much to call him an "actor," lets say the current Jason "prop." Last time he looked like a fucking UFC champion with hockey mask. Kudos to trimming him down to normal size again.
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KarmaPD · Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 2:51 pm Post subject:

That being said, Friday the 13th 2-4 are good slasher flicks. Others are servicable. Jason goes to Hell and Jason X are two gigantic turds of a movie. And Nighmare on Elm Street has its low points, certainly. The second one is the gayest movie that doesn't deal with actually being gay ever made. And I don't mean gay in the usual derogatory way (what is up with the excessive use of that on this board, btw? Maybe I'll just start saying everything lame is fat), I mean there is an excessive amount of subliminal homosexual activity in that movie. Lordy lordy. And they did let Renny Harlin direct the fourth one. Yeowch. That movie is so fat.
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Alpha1337 · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 6:37 pm Post subject: Math for bad movies

Freddy and Jason both are scraping the bucket for the left over chance at coming back harder than def leppard on the big screen... my theory is that 2 sucks cancels out and this movie is going to be awesome if not... it will still be better than matrix:reloaded
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im not suprised the new matrix movie was so poorly recieved. most people, including the people on this board, want something they can understand and fits what they wanted this movie to be. i think it is safe to say this movie had a much thicker plot than the first. im seeing it again so i can understand it better. it seems the people here are a little too stupid to understand it. hell, they are ready for freddy vs. jason. what does that tell you about the people on the board? oh, it says that these people dont know creativty and orginality when they see it. you all just prefer the mindless braind candy that hollywood shoves in your mouth.

the brothers had the entire trilogy written before the first one ever came out. i think they have everything going just the way they planned.

t3 will either be awesome or suck dick, and im thinking it will probably suck dick seeing how james cameron has nothing to do with it. it reminds of the jurassic park trilogy.

nsalwia · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 7:48 pm Post subject:

no offense dude, but you must be a little special if you have to see it again to understand the movie. it's not hard to understand, if you need i can tell you exactly what happened. the brother's are not geniuses as you imply. originality and creativity? ever heard of the bible, william gibson, or terminator? now take all three of those things and throw make them into one unified story, that's what the matrix is. they ripped of william gibson so bad it's not even funny. i suggest you do some research on some things before you open your mouth, especially about the wachowski brothers, they are anything but original with a story line. if you think it's that philisophical, your a loony pal, it's supposed to be an action movie, not an epic like they are trying to proclaim it to be. they need to stick to the action, if your going for plot or drama, then why in the fuck would you hire keano reeves as your main actor? i am a film student, and if you wanna go on and insult the people on this board, bring it on pal, i can debate this with you all day. do some research before you open your mouth next time. im sick of this "i am doogan face mclean, god of all knowledge" bullshit. express your opinion, but don't insult people on this board because they like freddy vs. jason. if you haven't caught the fact that we are all joking, freddy vs. jason will be a fun slasher flick to watch - that is all. sadly enough, it probably will be better then the matrix reloaded. the wachowski brothers need to stick to action, not plot and story.

that is all...
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KarmaPD · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 9:02 pm Post subject:

Brad, you rock my world.

And James Cameron's involvement is hardly something worth bragging about anymore. Titanic? Ye gods. To quote Tom Kinney, "13 year old girls finally have their star wars." If we were talking 10 years ago, yeah, Cameron, that's fine. But all we have to show for him lately is that schmooze fest of a movie, Dark Angel, and two movies about investigating the wreckage of the Titanic and the Bismarck. YAWN.

You don't blindly compare movies with entirely different purposes and assume that because people like one, that they are too dense to appreciate the other. That smacks of elitism, and I find it fucking hilarious that someone would get elitist about the matrix. "But dude, it raises, like, totally big questions! like, what if, you know, we're all part of this machine...but like, we're not in charge. No way man, it's fucking in charge! Man, this shit is too much to handle...dude, two tokes and pass! Etiquette!"

And it reminds you of the Jurassic Park trilogy?? Hi-fucking-larious. T2, Lost World, I see where you're getting that connection. Because one was awesome and one sucked balls. Or was Jeff Goldblum in T2 and I just missed it?
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James · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 5:03 am Post subject:

Come on, he's got a serious point. Most people thought it was retarded how a machine could be made into human like Agent Smith did in the movie, but I thought it was amazing.... Consider this -- Just yesterday I was trying to take a cd out, when Miicrosoft Office infiltrated my brain and ran the grammer check on my DNA strand, so it turns out now I have 2 penises. Those Wachowski guys are geniuses.
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